Fire Tunnel becomes short, swift walk with the Spirit

Fire Tunnel becomes short, swift walk with the Spirit

I attended a meeting yesterday led by my good friend and mentor, Janice Seney, who spoke during our meeting about their seminar this weekend. During the evening session they did something I had never heard of which is called a Fire Tunnel. The Fire Tunnel is idea they got from Bethel Church in Redding, CA.

A Fire Tunnel occurs sometimes at the end of a meeting. Leaders and prayer teams form two lines facing each other ready to pray for, lay hands on for impartation, and to bless the people who walk through it. The idea is move people through fairly swiftly, so you don’t want one person bunching up the line with a long ministry session while the others stand by watching.  The goal is move people through as others speak healing and blessings upon them in a rather quick fashion.

Ministry team conducts a Fire Tunnel, taking turns laying hands and anointing “Tunnel walkers” with oil bringing healing and breakthrough to those who walked through.

Bill Johnson, Sr. Pastor at Bethel wrote on his church’s website recently:

The first man to walk through (a fire tunnel) was healed in his back and one woman who had suffered from swelling in her mid-section reported that she was healed after walking through. Then twelve people got saved and half were baptized in the Holy Spirit. Towards the end of the meeting, a young boy was brought up who had a large tumor on his stomach. It kept diminishing in size and finally after continuous prayer, it disappeared! The boy said, “I was in a lot of pain to ride the bus to church, but now there’s no pain!” A woman with an enlarged heart had been suffering from migraines and pain in her body. When she was prayed for, she was hit with the power of the Holy Spirit and started to shake. Then her migraine disappeared and she said, “I feel like He’s given me a smaller heart!”

It’s amazing to me what the creativity of God’s people will bring to a typical meeting from which outwardly springs blessings and healing changing lives forever.

I have never been to one of these Fire Tunnels, but I will be sure to participate in one as soon as I have the opportunity. It clearly is not religious and if the idea bothers you on the inside, ask God why? It’s only a different format of what many of us believe already – which is God answers prayers. So why not this way?

If you have had the experience of being in a Fire Tunnel, let me know. I’m anxious to learn more about them.

53 thoughts on “Fire Tunnel becomes short, swift walk with the Spirit

  1. I love stuff that makes absolutely no sense outside the church. The concept would seem ludicrous to anyone that didn’t believe in or worse, had yet to experience a supernatural touch from God. The fact that they have to “move quickly” through the line speaks volumes into the trust the people have in the Lord. Their prayer becomes (as we have learned it should) “God, what do you want to do with_________?” Those in prayer are certainly petitioning but they don’t have time to have too much “people” in the way which is great in a time where we have abandoned prayer and have adopted a lot of secular pseudo counseling. Getting out of the way gives room for God’s work. How exciting!!! The structure also battles the only thing that I could see as a downside. Copycats! Lets face it, people are prone to “formulas,” or solution based ideas where they say “their doing this and its working, so lets do the same.” The equivalent of saying Jesus made a blind man see by mixing spit and dirt so the key to making blind people see is to mix spit and dirt. In their case no one person can ever take credit for the Lord’s work since they are all praying in unison and there is no “magic prayer warrior,” God moves…done. And, the only thing that could come of copycats is that Churches would begin to focus on prayer. Not a bad thing at all. Whether its a fire tunnel, or a prayer tornado, or a oil pool…..I’m in!!!

  2. just been to a city wide prayer meeting and at the end of that 2 hours, a fire tunnel happened to take place.
    I went through and half way through , bam , my legs were no more, I had no legs! I mean, there was nothing to hold me up. They held me up as I crept through. Oh my, how wonderful it is to know that the reality of the Holy Spirit is still there. I mean, I KNOW He is still there, but it is sure ‘fun’ to understand first hand that HE downpours still, just because He chooses to. He loves His precious ones, His Bride.
    Then a person told me things that only I would know, and confirmed something else, so it was like a special gift from God all around. Amazing grace. Lots of people had fire on them as well.
    kamloops, bc

  3. Yes Val, you are too right. At the end of the Leadership Advance Conference I attended at Bethel 2 weeks ago, the same thing happened to me. The presence of God was so thick, I could practically cut it with a knife.
    I have countless stories of God’s grace being poured out on people from the conference, it’s hard to know where to begin. Amazing stuff! Thanks so much for chiming in!

    Blessings,

    Mark

  4. We do these from time to time at our church, they are amazing. My flatmate went through one and got totally drunk on the spirit, she couldn’t contain herself.

  5. Hi Dezi
    I do not know of any scriptures specifically aimed at the format but a fire tunnel is, in reality, only the laying on of hands. What manifestations that occur either within that or after, I would have to defer to God.

    I do know that when I was at Bethel for their Leadership Advance conference, it was not something they did everyday but only at the end of the conference as they sent leaders off back to their home churches.

    Of course there are many scriptures about the laying on of hands, but the one most apropos to the way things were handled at Bethel in my own experience is probably Acts 13:3:

    “Then after fasting and praying they laid their hands on them and sent them off. “

  6. “Dezi” – You’ve spoken exactly what God would want people to know .. where does it talk about fire tunnels in the Bible ??

    Someone do some research and link this audience to the truth about fire tunnels.. im sure you’ll come across some Hindu rituals..

    Also laying on hands back in the old testament was alwayss done by the elders.. which could be telling us something and again .. if we are all allowed to lay hands and people get healed then why does the Bible tlak about the Holy Spirit giving gifts to people ..

    “But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.” (1 Corinthians 12:7-11)

    The Spirit distributes these gifts .. WE DONT JUST DECIDE TO USE THEM ! how do you know if youve been given the gift ? Read in the Bible in 1 Cor 12 ( whole chapter) and find out for yourself..

    Do not be fooled by these fire tunnels .. if it isnt in the Bible ( the whole reason you believe in God) then dont be part of it .. easy !

  7. Hi “Nefets”

    I guess I don’t understand the indignation around fire tunnels. If you think about it, this is much ado about nothing and a bit like arguing about the styles of worship between churches.
    1. The term “fire tunnel” itself is arbitrary and only meant to describe the manner in which we lay on hands. During that prayer time, no one speaks a word to anyone directly, but merely prays, blesses or imparts as people walk through so as many people have need can get prayed for as possible. It seems after that, the rest is up to God, but very much done in faith toward God. Praying and laying on hands is very much biblical. This is done in mass for efficiency so that 800 people can get prayed for in a reasonable amount of time. Otherwise it would be impossible to do.
    2. It sounds to me like you are bent on being religious in your expression. That is fine if it works for you, but others are under no such cumpulsion to pray or worship in any specific ways because we live under a convenant of freedom. See below.
    3. I believe your incorrect about desiring the greater gifts and personally, I don’t quite understand your connection to the gifts because fire tunnels are only for the purpose of facilitating pray and for impartation as was done to Paul by Ananias. “Saul” was to be baptized in the Holy Spirit by impartation through a believer laying on hands. I have read the entire chapter in 1 Cor. 12 – many, many times. I read more too. As you will find in verse 30b, the word says, “But eagerly desire the greater gifts.” 1 Cor. 14:1 goes onto say, “Follow the way of love and eagerly desire the spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.” Romans 1:11 reads, “For I greatly desire to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to establish you.” It seems to me what God is saying is that everything is permissible (1 Cor. 10:23-24) and that we function in freedom, and in fact, SHOULD ask for the greater gifts, but it is ultimately up to the sovereignty of God to decide who will have which gifts.

    In closing I would say this. What spirit do these people testify to? Is it the Spirit of Jesus? Is he the one who is being glorified? If it is Jesus, we should tread lightly in our critiques. For 2 Cor. 3:17, says assuming Jesus is the obect of worship, “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.” That’s what I see. I see Christians trying to do the work of their Father in heaven. Then why be against them over a format for prayer? No one was more right than Jesus and when he encounter someone doing something in his own way he did nothing. Luke 9:49 “Master,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him because he is not one of us.” I love that part because that sounds like the religious establishment of today and how they respond to anyone not like them. How did Jesus reply? “Do not stop him.” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”

    I pray that you find the trust that God has for others and let him be God knowing that he corrects, instructs, and builds up those in his body through his word and revelation.

    Blessings

  8. Dear Editor, Nefet’s remarks are valid and he doesn’t need inference that he may be religious (your item 2). Every Christian has the duty to question ‘fire tunnels’ or anything that appears on the Christian scene. We need more Berean Christians to test everything that goes on today. OK fire tunnels work for many, but still their absence in scripture should be checked. If nothing is found that is negative, OK, try them. I have been through one and had an impartation from God. But let’s not prevent people from challenging everything we do, if it’s to assure our flock that we are Biblical. I welcome that in every one of our Luxembourg churches. Graham, National Overseer, Church of God Luxembourg

  9. Hello, and thanks for reading and commenting!
    Please know that I have no problem with being challenged. I do however request that someone bring something to the table of discussion beyond a visceral reaction to those things that they do not understand or don’t line up with systematic thinking. Sorry if that ruffles feathers but if I sense a religious spirit, I usually call it out because that is no better than what is being questioned. Regiousity only represents the appearance of faith, but usually lacks depth with God. Now, consider this thought: Do we believe in prophecy? Do we believe that God speaks to us through revelation? How do we know? How can that be trusted? There are things that people will call God but cannot be substantiated by others. Does that mean it’s not possible or not God? Do we allow God the freedom to manifest in different ways? Of course. Should we say, “That’s not in the bible!” when someone walks around shouting a wall hoping it will fall? What if God called someone to do that? Oh, wait…he did! (c: The same shall apply here. Yes, we should balance things with scripture as much as we can, however, if scripture is silent, let’s also not put God in a box. What is a fire tunnel? It’s a line of people laying on hands as you pass by praying and imparting blessings. That is entirely scriptural. It’s just not one-to-one. Is that so bad? Again, is there anything in scripture that says that people should come forward for prayer after a meeting or during worship? I don’t think so. Yet, many churches do this and we never question that practice. Why the double standard? Because it looks undignified? Because it does not look religious? Scripture is also silent that the Pastor is sole leader as is the case in so many bodies. Do we question that? I prefer to bring back things to the spirit that is being testified to and ask who is being glorified here? If it’s Jesus, if no one is being hurt or mislead, if it comes down to more “style” then “substance in an activity and is not strictly experiential or otherwise, we should focus our energy on other things rather than criticize that which we do not understand or don’t want to understand (Luke 9:49). I find this discussion and Nefets comments in the latter category. No offense intended…Just my opinion. Blessings.

    Thanks

  10. Just had this experience earlier for the first time at our church in Manila, Philippines, “Church so Blessed.” WOW! It was amazing! I felt supernatural joy – I felt like drunk in the Holy Spirit, I was jumping and partying…I felt so revived spiritually. It was electrifying and something I’ve never ever felt in my almost 21 years of being a Christian 🙂

  11. Hi Everyone 🙂
    Peace and Blessings to you all. I would like to comment on “fire tunnels” out of love and honesty. THe author asked for anyone with experiences to share so I’ll do that and refrain from anything else.
    I went to a church I had never been to before and was seeking the presence of the holy spirit. Im new to the area and I missed that which I had in my old church. at the end of the service they mentioned this “fire tunnel” I having never heard of it was immediately cautious and ready to leave but something in my spirit was not worried about any weirdness. As the pastor spoke about what would happen I realized in my heart that this was the laying on of hands for blessings and prayer and what ever the Holy Spirit would do in this time. Matthew 18:20 says : “For where two or three are gathered together in my name , there am I in the midst of them” I dont mention this to do anything but explain my comfort in hearing a fire tunnel was happening. As the pastor explained the event, I felt this was nothing more than people gathered together in his name and His Spirit moving. So I went up and began to walk through. I saw people slightly shaking and bouncing and heads bowed. I was a little cautious about this but who am I to judge how the Spirit of God choses to move or manifest himself and who am I to questions someone else’s faith. So I walked through in Faith that God would meet me. I did not shake, fall, convulse, or anything. I just cried. Granted I was crying anyway because I felt the presence of the lord and I know he told he he loved me over and over. i felt better which is subjective but hey who knows what the move of the Spirit is.
    SO basically what I am saying is that I judged it and found the presence of the Lord there. I walked through and I was pushed, coaxed to shout or jump or anything. People prayed for me to have wisdom and revelation of God. I would go through a fire tunnel again – which means I would have people lay hands on me and pray for me. I will lay hands on people and pray for them. If I dont know that I have the gift of healing and I also dont limit God to not being able to see my faith at the moment I lay hands on someone for healing and honor that by actually healing them. God is a BIG God. and with Him all things are possible. ( I think thats in the bible somewhere). Enjoy your relationship with God and each other 🙂
    Thomas

  12. I walked through and I was pushed, coaxed to shout or jump or anything.
    This should read ” wasn’t pushed or coaxed to shout or jump or anything”
    Thomas

  13. I recently went to a conference event where this happened. I had never experienced it before so was wary and asked the Spirit if I should leave, but He gave me peace. The place was filled with the Spirit in a miraculous and undeniable way. As I went through the tunnel I was given amazing and specific healings for problems in my body and prophesied over with words only God knows about me. I felt the Spirit enter my heart to heal wounds from early childhood sexual abuse and my legs gave way. I was “slain” in the Spirit, which up till then I had always thought was not from God, but I am in no doubt now. I also become drunk in the Spirit, and as a former drub addict it was nothing like any drug or alcohol, it was pure bliss and peace and love. Dont put God in a box in these issues. Laying on of hands for healing and blessing is completely scriptural.

  14. Praise God! He is so good and I’m so happy to hear about your fabulous God encounter! Blessings

  15. Hi 🙂 WE often have fire tunnels at church, and I also come away filled with joy, peace and power.

    When I first gt saved I experienced the tangible presence of God during a fast. I was drunk in the Spirit and laughed for about an hour. It was extremely liberating and I was filled with pece and the intimate understanding of my God so much bigger than my human contraints. After a while the experience faded and my hunger subsided in the busyness of life. After a few years I went to a prophetic conference and from the first session I was double whammied by God and felt His love acceptance, pleasure, my identity was reaffirmed and I felt His tangible presence as I laughed and shook uncontrollably. Peace and identity were the result of that God encounter.

    I became HUNGRY for the tangible presence of God and went to a conference at a church that had a fire tunnel after. I was slam dunked in the goodness of God, and His rich, beautiful presence, and Knew I would never be the same again. The preence of God has ruined me for “mere Christianity” forever…thankfully. I have fire tunnels in my lounge with my family and experience His fire, peace, joy and presence, and am forever hungry for more.

    I have experienced the miraculous, the prophetic, words of knowlege, love and discernment which are all fruits of beautiful Holy Spirit.

    His presence is the most beautiful gift to me!

  16. May I submit to everyone that the word of God says, do not believe every spirit and we are to test every spirit to see if it’s the Spirit of God.

    Any false Apostle, Teacher and Prophet can come and claim a different manifestation of healing and performing of miracles, Christ gives heed of that Read Matthew 7 & 24 please.

    What we need is to properly discern through the Holy Ghost what is and is not from God, (let me not divert) but even the anti-christ when he comes. He won’t kill people, making them ill and not praying for them. The bible says he will heal the sick and raise the dead and even deceive many, if it were possible even those thought of to be the elite (Matthew 24). The word of God gives clear cut instructions on how to see a false miracle, false prophet, false Christ.

    My question is what happened to the gift of discernment even among the people of God?

  17. Thanks for you comment and for visiting Spiritually Led.

    I am not entirely sure what you’re saying here, as you seem to be beating around the bush a bit. Are you suggesting that there is 1) no discernment happening by the body and 2) that this is not a move of God?

    I look forward to your reply.

    Bless you!

  18. I completely agree with you. I know we don’t NEED fire tunnels, for the presence of God hit me at my kitchen table the other day, but the opportunity for impartation and the laying of hands is a great blessings. And why not? If the Spirit being testified to is JESUS, why not get blessings for 20 people at once? How can that be a bad thing?

    Be blessed beloved!

  19. Yes I have seen Fire Tunels, dancing in the spirit, laughing in the spirit, barking like a dog in the spirit, doing an egyption dance in the spirit and men (touching themselves) all in the “spirit”.

  20. So do you believe that because some people do things that we can all agree is not God, that all other fire tunnel displays are simply of the enemy?

  21. When you folks make up stuff like this, for whatever reason, it just creates stumbling blocks for non-believers to come to a real faith in Christ. This crap will only result in eventual anger from our Creator toward the frauds that perpetuate it.

  22. Thanks for visiting. First who is “you folks”? Second, what do think is the stumbling block, specifically? Laying on hands and praying? Because as far as I can tell, that’s all I see the ministers doing here.

  23. Great Article Mark!

    I haven’t been through a fire tunnel, but i have been prophesied to and have been through extensive experiences with the Holy Spirit. Just like with politics, in Christianity we all believe in different things. The biggest thing though for some of these people replying to this post is not to shoot everything down because they haven’t been through it, or it’s not “Spelled out word for word” in the Bible. God is always doing a new thing, and when we like EXACTLY “by the book”, we miss out on what God is truly trying to speak to us. I mean look at the day of pentacost, they thought they were drunkards! But when you fully yield to his presence, sometimes these earthly bodies don’t know how to handle themselves in the presence of The Eternal.

    And also to ledge’s comment; only through the Word of God and through Discernment, can you tell what “spirit” is operating in people. If you don’t know God’s presence, you can easily mix it up with the presence of another. It’s like when you meet someone once and you don’t see them for a year or so, then someone that comes in the so-called same name tries to speak with you. You’re gonna think you know them, but you don’t.

    Test everything, but be open. If you’ve encountered the Holy Spirit before, you are going to automatically know its him.

  24. I really can’t figure out what all the fuss is about. The “fire tunnel” sounds like what old time Pentecostals used to call a “prayer line!”

  25. Bible is silent on pastors because elders are supposed to do the teachings in churches
    Thing you have to ask is where did fire tunnels originate
    Are the biblical?

  26. Hello Doug and thanks for visiting Spiritually Led. I’m not sure where Fire Tunnels originated and I’m not sure it matters. What is given to God is God’s. Fire Tunnels are just a name that someone gave this process of lining people up and laying hands and praying for them as they walk through. If we remove the label and just look at what’s being done, it’s completely biblical. They are laying on hands and praying. From what I see, it’s the only expedient way to pray for everyone in conferences with a large amounts of people so that everyone gets hands laid on them and receives prayer and impartation who wants it. But even if it’s done by choice in smaller settinggs, I’m still not seeing anything wrong with it when laying hands on people and praying is something that’s done in the body of Christ every day all over the world.

  27. Thanks for visiting. So you’ve defined yourself by what you’re against, but what are you for?

  28. What is being called a “fire tunnel” is totally scriptural. Examine Genesis 15:12-21. Abram cut his sacrifices down the middle laid them out opposite each other, then fell into a deep sleep. When darkness assailed and oppressed Abram, God prophesied to him and reassured him. Then a smoking oven and a flaming torch passed between the pieces lined up in two rows facing each other, and the Lord promised land to Abram.

    What was true physically in the Old Testament is true spiritually for us in New Testament times. God gave Abram and his descendants the Promised Land; God gives us a land of promises. Darkness tries to assail and oppress us, but walking through a fire tunnel is a symbolic act (the Bible is full of them) where we can receive prophecy, the smoking oven of prayers, the flaming torch of the Holy Spirit, and the promises of God to heal our bodies and souls.

    God is a God of amazing creativity, and yet, when He inspires His people with creative ways of receiving more of Him so they can be strengthened, healed, and encouraged, He never violates the principles He laid down in Scripture.

    May Christ richly dwell in your hearts, brethren!

  29. Hi Mark, I have been a Christian for nearly 25 years, and was really open to this “move of the spirit”, in the days of Rodney Howard Browne.
    I really wanted to have all the experiences everybody else was having.
    I had a vision of Jesus and He came and stood in front of me.
    I asked Him why I couldn’t get drunk in the spirit, and get the laughing etc.
    As He stood before me, what I assume was an Angel, off to my right, said, “Don’t worry about these things going on around you, just keep your eyes on Jesus.”
    Now, many years later, though my wife is involved in this deceit, I can see it as it really is.
    As Daniel said, the antichrist will come from Greece, and all the signs, not only in the Church, but in the world, are of the Greek god/demon Dionysus, known as Bacchus to the Romans, the god of wine and drunkenness.
    Part of the Bacchic mysteries, or rituals, includes getting drunk on the god, not on actual wine.
    In 2 Thessalonians , it says that the apostasy will come first, before the man of lawlessness will be revealed.
    Apostasy is turning away from the truth, which is at work in the “Grace” movement, that calls anyone that chooses to follow the Commandments of God as “religious”.
    Yet it tells us in 1John that this is how we know we know and love God, by keeping His Commandments.
    In the revelings, or as called in Galatians 5:21, carousing, animal spirits would accompany this demon/god, as Moses called them, and enter into the people, causing them to make the sounds of animals.
    The people would go into a frenzy, or madness, then the god would release them into a drunken bliss.
    They would also have backward, jerking movements with the head and uncontrolled laughter.
    I doubt if you will believe this now, as you have been deceived already, and it seems, according to Daniel and 2 Thessalonians 2, you will not be able to hear the truth anymore.
    I hope that through much prayer and repentance, you will be able to find a love for the truth, which is the Word of God, not in feelings or “experiences”.
    Just because it’s “spiritual”, doesn’t mean it’s from God.
    Here is an article about this god, I hope it jogs your heart toward the truth.
    Bacchic Mysteries

    Mystery cults existed at the same time as regular religious practice, such as festivals. Individuals made a personal decision to enter a mystery cult through initiation, using them as a supplement to the common religion. The mysteries brought one into close contact with the divine.

    The Bacchic mysteries began by the late archaic period, if not earlier. Corinth is closely associated with its origin, at about 600 BCE. Corinthian vase painting depicts scenes of Bacchic revelry, the dithyrambos (cult hymn) was invented in Corinth, and a ruling family clan called Bacchiadai claimed descent from Dionysus. But the Bacchic Mysteries did not belong to one place. Wandering clergy spread the mystery cult throughout all parts of Greece.

    Bacchic clergy were of both genders and claimed knowledge of the mysteries from previous teachers or directly from Dionysus. Eventually there seems to have been concern over the legitimacy of the wandering clergy. In the third century BCE, priestesses of the Bacchic mysteries at Miletus and in the surrounding country had to register themselves with the city’s regular priestesses of Dionysus, and also had to pay fees. In Hellenistic Egypt, at about 210 BCE, Ptolemy IV Philopater declared clergy performing Bacchic initiations must register in Alexandria and list three generations of teachers from whom they had learned the mysteries.

    Bacchic initiation has four stages. First one must conceive the desire to join and then apply, this is followed by a preparation period, then the sacred rites were performed, and finally one is integrated with other initiates.

    Artwork and texts indicate that both women and men were initiated into the Bacchic mysteries. Initiation was not confined to the Greek population. As seen in Herodotus’ account of Scythian king Scylas, foreigners could become initiates. Scylas was initiated into the mysteries of Dionysus at Borysthenites. However Bacchic release was a disgrace to the Scythians. When they saw their king in Bacchic frenzy, they rebelled and murdered him.

    The Bacchic mysteries held two attractions for initiates: renewal after a release from madness and the promise of an afterlife. Dionysus is generally associated with madness, both the frenzy that descends upon his worshippers and as a God able to cure madness. The Bacchic rites cure suffering and afflictions of the mind with the divine madness, allowing initiates to express their emotions in the frenzy. The frenzy is considered a divine revelation, a direct experience of Dionysus, perhaps even possession. The other offer of the rites is the hope for a blissful afterlife, as opposed to reincarnation or an unconscious existence in Hades. To that effect, texts with instruction on how to proceed after death have been found in tombs from areas as far apart as Italy, Thessaly and Crete. Bacchic images appear on funerary items, and in southern Italy fourth century vases show Bacchic and funerary symbolism.

    Although much of the Eleusinian mysteries has been kept secret, they also promised an afterlife, revealed through Goddesses Demeter and Persephone. After the sixth century BCE, crossover began between Dionysus and the Bacchic mysteries with the Eleusinian mysteries. Iacchos, who leads the Eleusinian procession, seems to be Dionysus. This conclusion is made on the basis of the similarity of his name to Bacchus, the Dionysian nature of the procession, and from artwork which shows Iacchos dressed as Dionysus. It was anciently noted that during the Lenaia celebration Iacchos was called the son of Semele, the mother of Dionysus.

    Initiates of both mysteries are seen enjoying an afterlife in Aristophanes’ Frogs. Dionysus journeys into Hades and encounters a procession singing of Iacchos, just as the Eleusinian initiates did when alive. This group is called the Saved and the Blessed Ones. They ask Demeter to bring forth the holy child Iacchos to join them, as they are votaries of Bacchus.

    The relation of these two mystery cults is also seen in the Bacchic myth in which Persephone gives birth to Dionysus, who is soon murdered and reborn. This is a Chthonian Dionysus of the Underworld, the location of the throne Zeus places him on. Ritually this chthonic association was acknowledged in Bacchic rites by wearing a garland of poplar, which was associated with the Underworld.

    Throughout the centuries of his worship, Dionysus appears strongest in uniting the population. From the Mycenaean influence and possible origin of the Anthesteria festival to its well-known Athenian practice, Dionysus worship serves to unite the whole population and reinforces social identification with the polis. Dionysus worship also offers salvation through direct contact with the divine. It is indirectly offered to the polis and population through the sacred marriage of the God with the Archon’s wife in the Anthesteria of Athens. At the same time, his mystery cult offers the individual personal salvation through direct experience of his divine being and additionally offers life after death. In essence, this unites the worshippers with the God, which reinforces their bonds. This must have strongly contributed to his long duration as a popular God for nearly two millennia.

  30. Hi Peter
    Thanks so much for your thoughtful note of concern for my spiritual well being.

    First, let me say that I do not consider myself to be a closed minded person and hardened in my heart to those beliefs. I am a truth-seeker who just wants more of God no matter how that comes to me. I refuse to put anything in a box. You? When I read Acts 2 I wonder to myself, where is God today like he was with the early church? Is he just a book or real like that? As Bill Johnson said recently, Christians today worship the trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Bible. They worship the book the disciples didn’t have more than the Spirit they did have.

    My blog is not a defense for anything goes behavior by “experientialists.” It is a defense of the Spiritual things of God that go beyond our understanding (1 Cor. 2:14). I don’t pass judgment on the experiences of others. I see the manifestations like you do and don’t always know what they are about, and though I don’t always feel anything happening myself, I let them be. At the same time, there are no doubt those who are addicted to the blessing of his presence. I believe the presence of God is authentic and moving today, but people who can become unrestrained in it and a distraction to others which is not good either. They can cross a line or appear to be splashing in the water as it were when God just wants them to get into the stream with purpose. When they do that, does it impact me? No, not really other than it bugs the heck out my flesh. (c: But am I going to listen to my flesh or my spirit? I honestly don’t know what to do sometimes with spiritual things other than what God tells me, which is to appraise them spiritually. How do you spiritually appraise these things? I heard your apologetic response, but not your spiritual appraisal. We both know joy is a gift of the Spirit but I’m troubled that I don’t see the manifestation of joy in churches must today and when I do see it, the religious spirit often comes out and tries to crush it. Why do you think that is?

    From what I can see, you’re taking on is a big responsibility here that I am not prepared to judge. For example, Bill Johnson was telling a story recently. He said, “A woman was near me and dancing during worship. You know those people who are practically doing summer-salts during worship? Well this woman made those people look conservative. I was really being agitated by it and about to go speak with her and tell her to settle down. I didn’t. I felt the Lord say, ‘Leave her be.’ After worship, I was approached by another member of our church team who asked me, ‘Did you see that women carrying on during worship?’ Yes, I did,” said Bill. ‘Well that women was a prostitute and just got free from prostitution and she’s so glad she is free, she can’t contain her joy.'”

    I don’t know about you, Peter, but that story brings tears to my eyes every time I think about it. Do you really want the religious spirit to crush God’s joy in someone like that? Are you prepared to be the judge of hearts on what is authentic joy, signs, wonders and manifestations of a living God? Do you really want the burden to mandate what people can do before God or would you rather let that be God’s problem? Trust me when I say I understand the things you’re asking. I was once in the same place and God set me free from carrying the burden to change the whole church so they would know him more. I have let go of that and chosen to let that be God’s problem. Instead I am for them! I am for his people and choose to love them no matter what. That was HIS example and so it I will make it mine. I pray for them and how God brings that about is up to him.

    We all love scripture and it IS God’s word! Amen! But before scripture was, men only had their experiences with God. God’s word is a grade rail to his doctrine, his truth, NOT his presence. I do not believe that the word was meant to bottle up, limit or restrict our experiences with the Father to only those that happened in the bible. All that does is take something that was meant to be spiritual and make it religious.

    I hope you understand what I am trying to say, Peter. I am not against you and I don’t believe you are deceived, just that you can have more with God if you ask for it. I bless you, brother, that you’ll open your Spirit to God, meet him in your heart and not just through your head. Come back and tell me what you think about what I have written to you today after that happens.

    Be outrageously blessed, my friend!

  31. This is not Biblical. There is no mention of such practice in the Bible. We are instructed by Jesus as well as Paul to test all the spirits to see if they are from God or not.

  32. Marta, I’m not sure that’s accurate. First, is praying in the bible? Is imparting in the bible? Is laying hands on and blessing in the bible? I ask because that’s all they do. Is it these people’s reaction to the presence of God? Does this offend you? How do we know they are not authentic? Isn’t their reaction between them and God? Ultimately it seems to me that there were some pretty remarkable things happening in Acts 2 during the Day of Pentecost that don’t happen today. Does that mean we’re not acting biblically when the bible seem more “radical” than we behave today? I just don’t see how you can judge these things so easily based on what you see and what you don’t. Bless you and thanks for visiting and for your comments.

  33. Hi Mark. Not sure you will be able to answer my question, but it has me puzzled. Went through through a prayer tunnel last evening as I have many times before. As I walk through, I manifest much stronger than most others. I’m not sure I understand why that is, but my real question is this. While at the meeting and while walking through the tunnel and afterwards I feel wonderful. I feel the sweet presence of The Lord. However, afterwards, on the way home and at home, I experience more pain in my body(pain that I have had already) only increased. It’s confusing and discouraging. I love the presence of The Lord and believe prayer tunnels are okay with Him, just don’t understand my experience. Again, I’m probably asking you something that you may not have the answer for. Anyone else have this happen to them?

  34. I think the term ‘fire tunnel’ is the first thing that runs through people’s minds, it doesn’t sound Biblical at all. However, understanding that this is just a given name to a ‘method’ of blessing/imparting/praying for others, it is totally fine and Biblical.
    You need to test the fruits of the ‘experiences’ to see whether if it’s from God….ie. laughing = joy = one of the fruits of the Spirit – totally fine.
    If these experiences leave you feeling afraid, not at peace = most likely this is not from God.

  35. Hi Sharon
    This is hard to understand. I think that near the presence of God you are feeling a relief from normal pain. I have experienced this myself, thinking I was healed, especially during healing services only to find later that I was still dealing with pain. Having that pain increase is definitely unique. I would make sure that this is not spiritual attack, or that the environment at home itself doesn’t have something attached to it as some kinds of soul ties can. What I would do is take that to the Lord and inquire. Seek him for the source of the pain, injury, disease, etc. and then pray/war accordingly. Is there something in the home that needs the environment changed. Has something happened in the past here dealing with disease or injury, or is God showing you something in the Spirit? What about relatives? Generational ties? I believe he will show you the root of that so that you find lasting relief. Consider playing in tongues throughout your house. Anoint every doorway with oil and pray it’s protection from anything entering there. Bind the enemy from your home and put on worship playing it continuous during the night and while you are away. I believe doing these things will break you free or bring revelation that leads to freedom I bless you and I agree with you in the spirit that you would find your full restorative power of God that brings the lasting healing to your body that we know he wants you to have. God bless!

  36. Are we to take kicking people in the stomache as biblical because some guy said he heard a word from God? we need to be discerning and more like the Bereans in this day and age

    Never let Experience Over Scripture. The acceptance of any and all manifestations has continually led to the devaluation of Scripture. Proponents claim that “God is doing a new thing” and this new thing can not be tested by Scripture because “it is not (or not yet!)described in Scripture.” Others twist Scripture to try and justify certain manifestations.

  37. I just read a posting about this that concerns me “We do these from time to time at our church, they are amazing. My flatmate went through one and got totally drunk on the spirit, she couldn’t contain herself.” This sounds a lot like the Toronto blessing to me.

    I also went online to look for videos on “Fire tunnel” and it appears as if there are people getting drunk in the spirit and I see funny twitching going on. Her is the link https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=A111US1134&p=fire+tunnel

    This is just my observation of the fruits. There is a lot of data out there that links this type of thing over to Hinduism and the presence of unclean spirits.

    I pray this helps shed some light on the subject.

    Have a blessed weekend

  38. I am a born again baptized in the spirit Christian who has been studying the word for 36 years. I am acquainted with being ” slain in the spirit” and have been many times. I do not have total peace about fire tunnels. God uses me with the gift of discernment and somehow stillI don’t have peace . If in doubt I step out. I need a scripture Verse .I do NOT see it as scriptural even though someone tried to use the Old Testament to prove it. That doesn’t witness to me. The word tells us to ” lay hands suddenly on no one and who knows what individuals are imparting into you when they try to be used for prayer. There may be many new age believers who can impart their doctrine into you and you don’t even know it. Be careful who you allow to pray over you of you do not know them. Test the spirits .Occultists try to put their energy and false doctrines into you and that is NOT spirits of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Secular psychiatrists and hypnotist a can also lay on of hands and cause disaster. BE CAREFUL..Everyone loves a feel good experience but there are counterfeit holy spirits! angels of lights disguised in the premise of our true God. I lay hands suddenly on no one and no one suddenly lays hands on me either.Do not be ignorant of Satans devices.

  39. Thanks for your note Carol.
    Your note sounds very superstitious to me. I believe there is much surreptitiousness in the body of Christ. Your feeling unprotected against someone you don’t know laying hands on you is one such example. Can you not plead the blood of Christ if you feel something is not right with someone? Is God not faithful to watch over you? Is it scriptural that something will “get on you” without you knowing it? Do you have no power over the dominion of darkness if that is what is really after you, or is it your light that retreats from darkness rather than the other way around? I have been through one organized fire tunnel in my life. It was at Bethel Church in Redding. I did not know everyone praying over me, but I do look at that church and their fruit. I do know what the leaders stand for and who they testify of, which is Jesus. I trust they have a process like any church for who they release into leadership. Beyond that, I cannot do anything else by trust God. And so can you. The laying on of hands is very scriptural and that’s all this is, a different and condensed way of praying over everyone when time does not permit to do it individually. I do not feel like I have to look over my shoulder to see if Satan is coming to get me because God ALWAYS has my back. And you know what else, he always has yours too. He that began a good work in you is faithful to complete it (without living in fear of bad things getting you), Phil 1:6. Bless you.

  40. Hello and thank you for visiting my site.
    My question to you is simple. Are you willing to trust God and leave some things to him when he does something you don’t understand? There a lots of examples of God doing some rather bizarre things in the word. He gave Gideon a loaf of bread and a vase to fight with for war. Many Christians stop short of a divine encounter with God because they are reaching for a theological answer from God and not a divine encounter with his Spirit. The Spirit is a black hole in many of us. As born-again Christians, we should know it’s essential that we don’t satisfy our theological curiosities about being full of the Spirit by reading it in a book, we satisfy our experiential need of the fullness of the Spirit by encountering the living God. Many Christians stop short of a divine encounter with God because they reach where they wanted to reach, theologically, and they stop short of a divine encounter. Thus, they don’t know how to have a real relationship with God because that’s more than rules, it’s divine. Thus, they know inside, he’s not real to them beyond what their mind can comprehend. But we serve the living God of the universe. He’s living and active like his word! We MUST go to him and ask him to reveal himself to us, otherwise, he’s not worth following. He promised if we ask, seek, and knock, the doors will be opened to us and we shall find! Take him at his word. It’s good for nothing if we do not have life in Spirit and have it abundantly.

  41. Thanks for visiting my site. I will say the same to you that I said to someone else. Will you allow God to do something he has never done before? Will be offended if he does something new that you have not seen before?
    Many Christians stop short of a divine encounter with God because they are reaching for a theological answer from God and not a divine encounter with his Spirit. The Spirit is a black hole in many of us. As born-again Christians, we should know it’s essential that we don’t satisfy our theological curiosities about being full of the Spirit by reading it in a book, we satisfy our experiential need of the fullness of the Spirit by encountering the living God. Many Christians stop short of a divine encounter with God because they reach where they wanted to reach, theologically, and they stop short of a divine encounter.

  42. Tunnels of fire were created in the Toronto Blessing meetings.
    While walking through the tunnel, the one that forms the tunnel lay hands on you and bless you. During this operation they will, as they learn, give you a piece of the Holy Spirit.

    The only thing you’ll get is an occult power. Nowhere in the Bible we are taught in this way the Holy Spirit to pass. Indeed, God is the One who gave us the Holy Spirit as collateral. We don’t give the Holy Spirit through!

    19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor.6: 19

    The Bible makes it clear that we have received the Spirit of God, He is not something we can pass. The Bible also warns against laying on hands. Do not let just anyone lay hands on. Still, this is something that happens in the tunnel of fire . Often they encourages you to receive it. Only what you receive, is absolutely not from God.

    You also see people, after they have gone through the tunnel of fire get drunk or laughing in the spirit. Some will fall in the spirit. These are all on-biblical expressions, however, when we look into Eastern religions we find the same manifestations as an result of the Kundalini. This kundalini strength is what we see in the Lakeland “Revival” and of course the Toronto “Revival”.

    By letting yourself in with tunnels of fire you open up yourself to demonic influence. Check out these you tube movies of a tunnel of fire and ask yourself, Is this what I see Jesus and His Apostles do?

  43. These things look similar to something called the ‘kundalini awakening’ found in hinduism.
    Check out these short videos.
    Part 1  http://youtu.be/eBpw2oQrvMM
    Part 2  http://youtu.be/BCcGaTRwG_4
    Part 3  http://youtu.be/dWeUNoR30_0

    I know that I am not the judge of people’s hearts, (and very thankfully so). I just question….are they are being saved and set free by Jesus, or willingly walking into the bondage of deception by following after a counterfeit Holy Spirit experience? And we would only know if it was genuine by their fruit (in which case we don’t know), however we see some of the fruit of the leaders…and with some it is not good fruit. 

    I am a believer in Jesus Christ and in the present ministry of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but we must know our identity in Christ and know that we already have everything we need in Christ. I would be very careful to follow a ‘thing’ or a ‘sign/manifestation’ rather than following Jesus and His anointing which is already resident in Holy Spirit filled believers (the sign should follow the believer because of our relationship with Jesus). And if we follow things other than Him we can become ripe for deception (even the very elect, and that is why we need to search our heart continually). 

    Colossians 2:6-10 NLT  And now, just as you accepted Christ Jesus as your Lord, you must continue to follow him. 7 Let your roots grow down into him, and let your lives be built on him. Then your faith will grow strong in the truth you were taught, and you will overflow with thankfulness. 8 Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ. 9 For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

  44. Hello Mark Grote! This has been a wonderful discussion on Fire Tunnels. I have been through 5 of them. Each experience was a personal encounter with God. Through some, God was healing old soul wounds, a “burning up of the chaff” as in Matt. 3:12, Luke 3:17. Through all, God was equipping and empowering me for the work He has called me to do (Acts 1:8). All experiences bore good fruit. If you honor the prophet you receive the prophet’s reward, which basically means you are empowered to pay it forward and release the gifts God has given you into others as the Holy Spirit wills. What I have gained by the Holy Spirit through the impartation in the fire tunnels God has transferred the Anointing to others in prayer and in laying on of hands. (Mostly. There are times the Anointing can transfer without the laying on of hands, as in the Centurion’s servant, Peter’s shadow and the woman with the issue of blood.)

    People experience the Manifest Presence of God in many different ways. It is within these differences that some people judge and immediately jump to conclusions without conferring with the Holy Spirit or with the Scriptures to see what is of God. It is arrogant and prideful to assume that a manifestation is not of God just because one has not seen, nor heard or experienced it. I have experienced wind, fire (it’s like electrocution), shaking, wine (drunkenness), joy (rolling on the floor laughter), peace; gifts of prophecy, creative miracles, healings and so much more. It was in a fire tunnel the Lord taught me how to pray the Fire of God to rain down and flood His people. The fire tunnel is not so much as a name, but it is a place. It is an environment conducive for Divine appointments by which the Holy Spirit ministers to His people in a way that they are forever changed for His Glory. I pray the Lord reveals Himself in this way and takes your relationship to a whole new level.

  45. Hi Pastor John

    Thank you for your note and for visiting SpirituallyLed.com.
    You said that with some of the leaders they have bad fruit. Can you be more specific?
    Second, are you willing to trust God with things you don’t understand or does God have to appeal to your mind before you’ll trust him? Just asking.
    As you know, the sign of a false prophet is not by their signs, but by what spirit they testify to. So if someone testifies to Jesus, and there are manifestations that offend us, what should we do?

    It’s a good discussion to have. I hope you’ll reply.

    Blessings to you my fellow warrior in Christ!

    Mark

  46. Thanks for your note and for visiting SpituallyLed.com, Lisa.

    I agree with you. “For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of words but power,” 1 Cor. 4:20. We have lots of words in the church and very little power. Which behavior should really be on trial?

  47. Hi Elle,

    Thank you so much for writing and visiting SpirituallyLed.com.

    I appreciate where you are coming from, but it sounds far far far too superstitious to me. It sounds like you’re saying the occult will get on them, or they will come under some kind of demonic influence or spell. Is that what you think God will do to his kids – turn them over to the enemy? As I asked above to another who wrote, must God appeal to your mind before you will trust him? You say we cannot pass the Spirit onto someone, but we can baptize and impart to to anyone in the Spirit.

    Personally, I don’t care what other religions are doing. They are copies of the authentic. When the power of God comes, people can feel it. This is true and biblical. The fact that people laugh, means what to you? To me it means joy. Where else do you see the manifestation of pure joy in the church today? People roll up to the altar and pour out their hearts in God weeping and we all pat them on the back and revel in the stirring move of God they are encountering. But if that same person erupts in joy, we are quick to get security and get them out of the church. Isn’t that right?

    Why are we so suspicious of joy, but not of the other manifestations? I understand. Some things have been done in the past wrong. Some people DO get carried away. But that does not mean every manifestation that comes after, especially those we can’t find in the bible, means it is from the enemy.

    As for fire tunnels, all people are doing is lining up and being prayed for. Laying hands and praying is biblical. How they respond to it is up to them. Who can judge that?

    So what about you? Has the bible become your box for every manifestation of God? Or is he allowed to bust out and do something new in your world too?

    Thanks and blessings to you with the peace of God!

    Mark

  48. Ezekiel 8:13-14 records a picture of the women of Israel “weeping for Tammuz.” The etymology of the word Tammuz bears examination: tam means “to make perfect” and muz “fire.” In other words, to make perfect through burning in fire!
    Ancient Israel fell into worshipping Tammuz. Again, he was also known as Baal or Molech: “And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into My mind, that they should do this abomination…” (Jer. 32:35).

  49. “You slaughtered My children and offered them up to idols by causing them to pass through the fire.” – Ezekiel 16:21

    Then they made their sons and their daughters pass through the fire, and practiced divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him. – 2 Kings 17:17

    …and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, a thing which I never commanded or spoke of, nor did it ever enter My mind; – Jeremiah 19:5

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